Commit e21d80e7 authored by Erik Malone's avatar Erik Malone

Initial commit.

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from bs4 import BeautifulSoup
from pathlib import Path
from tqdm import tqdm
import markovify, json
addends = { 'davedan': 'suck my salty balls cracker' }
def parse_file( fname ):
with open( fname, encoding = 'utf-8' ) as f:
return BeautifulSoup( f.read(), 'html.parser' )
def get_posts( fname ):
return parse_file( fname ).find_all( 'div',
attrs = { 'class': 'list_posts' } )
def strip_quotes( posts ):
for post in posts:
blocks = post('blockquote',
attrs = { 'class': 'bbc_standard_quote' } )
headers = post('div',
attrs = { 'class':'quoteheader' } )
footers = post( 'div',
attrs = { 'class': 'quotefooter' } )
[x.decompose() for x in headers]
[x.decompose() for x in blocks]
[x.decompose() for x in footers]
return posts
def mine_file( fname ):
print( f'Mining file {fname}.' )
posts = strip_quotes( get_posts( fname ) )
txts = []
for post in posts:
txts.append( post.get_text().strip() )
return txts
def mine_folder( folder ):
data = []
for name in Path( f'E:/Chaositech/{folder}' ).glob( 'posts*.txt' ):
data.append( '\n'.join( mine_file( name ) ) )
return '\n'.join( data )
def make_model( corpus ):
model = markovify.Text( corpus )
js = json.dumps( json.loads( model.to_json() ), indent = 2 )
return model, js
def save_model( folder, js ):
with open( f'E:/Chaositech/{folder}/model.json', 'w' ) as f:
print( f'Saving file to {f.name}' )
f.write( js )
def gen_sentences( model,
n = 5,
do_quote = True,
author = '' ):
for _ in range( n ):
if ( author in addends ):
if ( do_quote ):
yield f'[quote author={author}]\n{model.make_sentence()} {addends[author]}\n[/quote]\n\n'
else:
yield f'{model.make_sentence()} {addends[author]}\n\n'
else:
if ( do_quote ):
yield f'[quote author={author}]\n{model.make_sentence()}\n[/quote]\n\n'
else:
yield f'{model.make_sentence()}\n\n'
def load_model( folder ):
with open( f'E:/Chaositech/{folder}/model.json' ) as f:
return markovify.Text.from_json( str( f.read() ) )
def print_sentences( model,
n = 5,
do_quote = True,
author = '' ):
for s in gen_sentences( model, n, do_quote, author ):
print( s )
def gen_sentences_for_all( n = 5,
do_quote = True ):
paths = list( Path( './' ).glob( './**/' ) )
paths.remove( Path( '.' ) )
sentences = []
for folder in paths:
author = folder.name
model = load_model( author )
for s in gen_sentences( model, n, do_quote, author ):
sentences.append( s )
return sentences
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<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325936#msg325936">Quote from: niam2023 on 01 July 2019, 02:19:31</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Okay then.<br /><br />Define for us what SJW and PC mean for you.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />OK then.<br /><br />SJW (Social Justice Warrior): Someone who takes social justice politics to extremes. They frequently act obnoxious and/or smug about their beliefs, and generally have a &quot;with us or against us&quot; attitude. And they hold a lot of the blame for &quot;social justice&quot; developing similar connotations to &quot;family values&quot;.<br /><br />PC (Political Correctness): Overreaching attempts to avoid offending certain groups. It&#039;s generally associated with socially left-wing individuals and groups, but some have claimed that it&#039;s not unique to them. When George Carlin described it as &quot;fascism pretending to be manners&quot;, he was too kind, since a lot of PC types don&#039;t even try to be polite anymore.<br /><br /><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325942#msg325942">Quote from: SCarpelan on 01 July 2019, 10:18:09</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">My final thoughts for Ultimate Chaos:<br /><br />You white knight right wingers regularly and while you don&#039;t endorse explicit bigotry you demand bigots are given the benefit of a doubt while interpret anything by a &quot;SJW&quot; or a far-left activist in the worst possible light. Obsession (usually a selective one) with political correctness and anti-SJW obsession are the main giveaways of an alt-right sympathizer.<br /><br />You were an open Gamergate fan back when it was still a topical issue but proved that even you didn&#039;t believe in your defense of them. You also have regularly commented on links you post with an obvious alt-right skew that either directly contradicts the content behind the link or presents it in an dishonest manner. There are two likely interpretations: you either intentionally lie or you get both the commentary and the links from the same source that you don&#039;t bother to fact-check since it confirms your own bias.<br /><br />Thing is, if I trusted you are honest about yourself and your opinions I would think you are just a misguided and naive alt-light centrist. Since you have proved that you don&#039;t care about honesty I have chosen to interpret your behavior in a more malicious light - you might be an alt-right troll who just hides his power level since this is a common tactic they use and explicitly endorse. There is no way to know your actual thoughts so I judge you based on your demonstrated priorities. I don&#039;t care how you feel or if you think this is fair, my priority is to confront the harmful ideas you express in the most effective way possible.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />It&#039;s easy to say all these things, but without evidence to back them up, this is just a witch hunt. I could say you&#039;re a Russian spy or that you sacrificed a black cat to Satan yesterday, but unless I present evidence, that would just be empty words.<br /><br />Accusing somebody of secretly following a toxic ideology is a pretty scummy move, so unless you have evidence to back it up, I&#039;d say my McCarthy comparison is pretty spot-on.
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<span class="smalltext">&#171;&nbsp;<strong>on:</strong> 01 July 2019, 02:17:25&nbsp;&#187;</span>
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<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325924#msg325924">Quote from: SCarpelan on 30 June 2019, 02:28:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">A caricature, not a strawman. I am not making any serious arguments, I&#039;m mocking you.<br /><br />Edit: To be more precise, I am still implying that you are using dishonest debating methods to try to move people more to the right which in this forum means more towards the center. So, there is a repetition of my earlier position implied in addition the mockery.<br /><br />I had to expand my post with this edit for honesty. I wouldn&#039;t want anyone to think I am being dishonest and desceptive, after all.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />I&#039;m not trying to &quot;move people more to the right&quot;. And if you want to prove you&#039;re not being &quot;dishonest and deceptive&quot;, why don&#039;t you back up your allegations? If I&#039;m really what you say I am, it shouldn&#039;t be that hard to prove. Unless, of course, you&#039;re just pulling these accusations out of your ass Joe McCarthy-style.<br /><br /><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325932#msg325932">Quote from: davedan on 30 June 2019, 22:15:33</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">To your direct question, cracker: It may well depend on whose accusing me. If it were you I would laugh my arse off. Because I don&#039;t give a fuck what you think. In much the same way I didn&#039;t care when you called me a racist.&nbsp; Now if it were my kids or my relatives calling me a child molester I would be very upset. But that wouldn&#039;t happen because I&#039;m not. Probably would feel the same about being called a war criminal. If it were you I would laugh. If it were anyone else I would be puzzled, as I&#039;m only armed with my cock.<br /><br />As an aside you do take this shit really seriously.<br /><br />To your second point, why the fuck do you care what happens to the forum.<br /><br />Why don&#039;t you simply tell us who you are...<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />I don&#039;t. Like I said, this forum can rot away for all I care.<br /><br />Anyway, since I promised to come clean about my politics today, here goes.<br /><br />Economically, I&#039;m a capitalist. But I don&#039;t believe in the kind of capitalism supply-side economists espouse. I believe that large corporations have too much power over the lives of average citizens, and that we need to be wary of industries being dominated by handfuls of big companies. I&#039;m in favor of an increase to the minimum wage, pro-workers&#039; rights and consumers&#039; rights, and anti-corporate personhood. But I&#039;m skeptical of socialism, because I believe well-regulated capitalism is the best economic system out there. Just look at how good things were economically between the fifties and the seventies.<br /><br />While I think war is horrible, I can acknowledge that sometimes it&#039;s necessary. But it should never be entered into lightly or without an exit strategy. We must always ask if war is really the best way to achieve our goals.<br /><br />There&#039;s quite a lot to say about my views on foreign policy. In general, I think America should be more of a deal maker and less of a chess player. But we have to be willing to get tough with rogue states and authoritarian regimes. For more specific stuff, I&#039;m in favor of a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict, believe we should work on containing Russia and Iran, and I&#039;m not sure we&#039;re concerned enough about China and Saudi Arabia trying to spread their influence abroad.<br /><br />Socially, while I&#039;m anti-SJW and anti-PC, as well as skeptical of quite a few &quot;social justice&quot; claims and narratives, I consider myself a progressive. I am a supporter of LGBT rights. I believe there&#039;s institutionalized racism and sexism. I&#039;m in favor of religious freedom, but firmly support separation of church and state. I&#039;m against censorship, pro gun-rights, pro-choice, and anti-tort reform.<br /><br />Now for the other stuff. I&#039;m an environmentalist who thinks we should phase out the use of fossil fuels for energy. I am in favor of the Paris Agreement. I&#039;m against illegal immigration, but I still think detained illegals should be held in humane conditions, and I have nothing against immigrants coming to America legally. I&#039;m a civic nationalist, and I don&#039;t much like ethnic nationalism. Net neutrality is important. We need to fix our infrastructure.<br /><br />Overall, there are broad concepts I support. Nuance. Kindness. Individual liberty. Reason. Human dignity.<br /><br />Sorry if this isn&#039;t up to your standards, I was really tired when I typed it. If you have any questions, don&#039;t hesitate to ask.
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<span class="smalltext">&#171;&nbsp;<strong>on:</strong> 30 June 2019, 17:57:33&nbsp;&#187;</span>
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<span class="smalltext">&#171;&nbsp;<strong>on:</strong> 30 June 2019, 16:23:28&nbsp;&#187;</span>
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<span class="smalltext">&#171;&nbsp;<strong>on:</strong> 30 June 2019, 02:06:33&nbsp;&#187;</span>
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<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325913#msg325913">Quote from: niam2023 on 29 June 2019, 00:17:50</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Okay then, if your political opinions are such a sore spot, then why don&#039;t you just go ahead and lay out your exact political opinions.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />Fair enough. I guess you deserve a summation of my positions. But you&#039;re gonna have to wait, since it&#039;s gonna take a while and I&#039;m tired. You&#039;ll have it tomorrow.<br /><br /><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325918#msg325918">Quote from: Eiki-mun on 29 June 2019, 20:47:01</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325909#msg325909">Quote from: Chaos Undivided on 28 June 2019, 22:21:33</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_alternate_quote">Again, mods: why are accusations of ban-dodging not backed up by any evidence allowed?<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />Minor point before I go back into the ether; the accusations are in fact backed up by evidence. Circumstantial evidence, like an extremely similar posting style, similar views, knowledge of things that happened a long time ago and things like that are in fact evidence. You&#039;d have more of a point if you said that they aren&#039;t backed up by <em>proof</em>, but then most people don&#039;t rely on 100% proof for most things anyway. A preponderance of the evidence, metaphorically speaking, is more than enough to sway most, and one has to admit that for a longtime observer, there is definitely more evidence for or against.<br /><br />That is all. <br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />OK, lemme take a look at this. First off, you haven&#039;t proved that this &quot;circumstantial evidence&quot; objectively exists, but I can roll with that. So I&#039;m gonna go over the examples you cite.<br /><br />1. You say I have a similar writing style to this banned user. I believe you believe it, and for all I know, it might be true. But if it is true, so what? There are plenty of other explanations than me secretly being him. As evidence, I&#039;d like to submit <a href="http://www.wcl.govt.nz/popular/fictionwriters.html" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">this database</a> of authors with similar writing styles. I doubt anyone suspects Anthony Bourdain was the real author of Fight Club.<br /><br />2. Again, I don&#039;t know how accurate this claim is, but I can believe it. On the other hand, I don&#039;t really consider this &quot;evidence&quot;, because plenty of people have similar political views. <br /><br />3. Of course I know about things that happened long ago. Why is that considered evidence? None of it is secret, and I&#039;m able to look it up whenever I want. Remember how I disappeared for a few days? That was me doing research.<br /><br /><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325921#msg325921">Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on 29 June 2019, 22:06:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325909#msg325909">Quote from: Chaos Undivided on 28 June 2019, 22:21:33</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_alternate_quote">OK, first off, I&#039;m not a &quot;centrist&quot;, and I never claimed to be. <em><strong>I&#039;m center-left.</strong></em> Second, why are you so cynical about my positions? Are you hiding <em>your</em> powerlevel and projecting that onto me? </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>This is an excellent reason not to judge someone&#039;s political position by what they do rather than what they say. If someone claims to be &quot;centre left&quot; but spends most of their energy defending the Right, the rest of us can fill in the gaps.<br /><br />&quot;Centre left&quot;, this will filed and used at a later date. I will be merciless.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />I resent that, not least because I&#039;ve spent far more energy defending myself than &quot;the Right&quot;. Don&#039;t bother &quot;filing this away for later&quot;, you can come at me right now.<br /><br /><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325922#msg325922">Quote from: SCarpelan on 30 June 2019, 00:08:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325921#msg325921">Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on 29 June 2019, 22:06:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_alternate_quote"><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325909#msg325909">Quote from: Chaos Undivided on 28 June 2019, 22:21:33</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">OK, first off, I&#039;m not a &quot;centrist&quot;, and I never claimed to be. <em><strong>I&#039;m center-left.</strong></em> Second, why are you so cynical about my positions? Are you hiding <em>your</em> powerlevel and projecting that onto me? </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>This is an excellent reason not to judge someone&#039;s political position by what they do rather than what they say. If someone claims to be &quot;centre left&quot; but spends most of their energy defending the Right, the rest of us can fill in the gaps.<br /><br />&quot;Centre left&quot;, this will filed and used at a later date. I will be merciless.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>But that&#039;s just because the forum is too left-leaning so he needs to defend the poor right wingers because balance is everything, all sides do everything equally and sticking to the golden mean is the epitome of intellectual honesty.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />Well, you&#039;d know a lot about that, wouldn&#039;t you? After all, instead of either having a good-faith debate with me or just ignoring me, you&#039;re taking the middle ground of attacking a strawman version of me.
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<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325906#msg325906">Quote from: SCarpelan on 28 June 2019, 20:19:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325887#msg325887">Quote from: Chaos Undivided on 28 June 2019, 01:36:00</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_alternate_quote">Yadda yadda yadda.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />There was a time when I thought I had you figured out well enough to have good faith debates with you despite you being a proven liar. The obvious purpose of the first lies was to try and increase your social capital in the forum and spend it to defend ideological issues like Gamergate. When you proved that you didn&#039;t argue in good faith about those either there was no reason to trust anything about you anymore.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />How about you stop making all these negative assumptions about me? Because unless you present evidence, I have to presume that&#039;s all they are: assumptions.<br /><br />Why should I believe you were ever seriously interested in good-faith debates with me when you called me a &quot;pigheaded centrist&quot; and refused to talk to me only two weeks after I&#039;d joined?<br /><br />You calling me a &quot;proven liar&quot; is rich when you refuse to show this alleged proof. Like I said earlier, if you had evidence of wrongdoing on my part, you would&#039;ve presented it by now. If I aggravate you so much and you&#039;re not going to defend your own position, why don&#039;t you just block me? Seriously, am I that interesting to you, do you think blocking me would be cowardly, or do you just get some kind of pleasure from this?<br /><br /><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325906#msg325906">Quote from: SCarpelan on 28 June 2019, 20:19:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">When it is doubtful how honest you are about your centrist positions it is impossible to trust that your argumentation flaws are a result of naivety instead of dishonesty. Arguing with a gullible useful fool for the alt-right can produce constructive results, arguing with a concern troll who is hiding his power level is just waste of my limited energy. You keep showing that there is a good reason to suspect the latter (the latest example being your defense of Trump&#039;s statements about Charlottesville).</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />OK, first off, I&#039;m not a &quot;centrist&quot;, and I never claimed to be. I&#039;m center-left. Second, why are you so cynical about my positions? Are you hiding <em>your</em> powerlevel and projecting that onto me? Since you admitted you&#039;re arrogant and assumed I am too, the projection theory is looking pretty likely.<br /><br />Now, about the Trump thing, you&#039;re again making negative assumptions. That wasn&#039;t a &quot;defense&quot;, it was pointing out that Trump wasn&#039;t calling white supremacists &quot;very fine people&quot;. If I point out that there&#039;s no evidence that Stalin actually said &quot;one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic&quot;, that&#039;s not automatically &quot;defending&quot; him. Or was Politifact &quot;defending&quot; Trump <a href="https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/apr/08/tweets/tweet-leaves-out-context-donald-trumps-animals-rem/" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">when they wrote this</a>?<br /><br /><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325906#msg325906">Quote from: SCarpelan on 28 June 2019, 20:19:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">And no, I don&#039;t need to give you a tl;dr level logical proof for anything since I don&#039;t give a fuck what you think and you have zero credibility to demand anything. For someone who is arguing in good faith and has a problem with what I have said I can go through the effort to provide evidence since in that case there is an actual constructive goal to be achieved.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />The idea that I have &quot;zero credibility to demand anything&quot; is only your opinion. Granted, that opinion is probably shared by some of your buddies, but your opinions aren&#039;t automatically fact. Since you closed your mind to good-faith discussion with me almost from the very beginning (you called me a &quot;pigheaded centrist&quot; only two weeks after I joined), your claims that your opinions of me are based on &quot;inductive reasoning&quot; don&#039;t hold any water. When one of your earliest comments to me is explicitly saying you think you&#039;re better than me and won&#039;t bother giving me the time of day, you cannot seriously expect me to believe you&#039;re not just interpreting things I&#039;ve said in a negative light due to your own biases.<br /><br /><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325908#msg325908">Quote from: The_Queen on 28 June 2019, 22:05:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325906#msg325906">Quote from: SCarpelan on 28 June 2019, 20:19:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_alternate_quote"><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8246.msg325887#msg325887">Quote from: Chaos Undivided on 28 June 2019, 01:36:00</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yadda yadda yadda.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />There was a time when I thought I had you figured out well enough to have good faith debates with you despite you being a proven liar. The obvious purpose of the first lies was to try and increase your social capital in the forum and spend it to defend ideological issues like Gamergate. When you proved that you didn&#039;t argue in good faith about those either there was no reason to trust anything about you anymore.<br /><br />When it is doubtful how honest you are about your centrist positions it is impossible to trust that your argumentation flaws are a result of naivety instead of dishonesty. Arguing with a gullible useful fool for the alt-right can produce constructive results, arguing with a concern troll who is hiding his power level is just waste of my limited energy. You keep showing that there is a good reason to suspect the latter (the latest example being your defense of Trump&#039;s statements about Charlottesville).<br /><br />And no, I don&#039;t need to give you a tl;dr level logical proof for anything since I don&#039;t give a fuck what you think and you have zero credibility to demand anything. For someone who is arguing in good faith and has a problem with what I have said I can go through the effort to provide evidence since in that case there is an actual constructive goal to be achieved.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />And that really is the crux of it all: most people you can talk with, explain your position and the flaws in their position, listen to them, and reach some sort of understanding or agreement to disagree. In fact, I kind of have a history of being the dissenter in several instances. The difference is I stated my positions and argued them in good faith, as many others here have done. <br /><br />Just about everything I see Dynamic Paragon of the Chaotic Reverse Anal arguing is more about scoring points than actually learning a deeper truth. Restated, its pure sophism and obviously in bad faith.<br /><br />Also, Chaos, why the hell are threatening to leave when you have a history dating back more than six years of creating sock puppet accounts to dodge bans? I mean, I would believe a threat to leave from anyone else, but not someone who comes back after being shown the door four times.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />Again, mods: why are accusations of ban-dodging not backed up by any evidence allowed?
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<span class="smalltext">&#171;&nbsp;<strong>on:</strong> 28 June 2019, 14:56:44&nbsp;&#187;</span>
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<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=55.msg325901#msg325901">Quote from: KingOfRhye on 28 June 2019, 14:29:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">&quot;MAGA manga style video comic books&quot;?&nbsp; <br /><br />Whatever &quot;video comic books&quot; are supposed to be, that sounds horrible.<br /></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />Maybe he&#039;s talking about motion comics?
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This is like something you&#039;d see in a parody.
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